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/u/ljkp on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Well, more about missing just daily things like handling money, moving in the society (people get days off from open prison) and so forth. Basically just facing the institutional syndrome to its ...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
> There was some talk with the inmates about this issue and pretty > much everyone agreed that it's a problem if there are prisoners > sitting life sentence that aren'...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
> the inmate had never seen a Euro bill in real life. Euro was > deployed in 2002. Another prime example of how the transition directly from closed prison to regular life is so h...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
> Then you come to the real life, and notice that in 17 years the > society's values have totally changed in one thing and a little in > many other issues too. Of ...
/u/autowikibot on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
INSTITUTIONAL SYNDROME : >> Institutionalization >> >> can also mean voluntary >> or >> involuntary commitment >> , the >> process of committing someone to a�...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Here's Henrik Linderborg, senior researcher at the Finnish Criminal Sanctions Agency: "Yes, the recidivism is lower among the prisoners who have been released from open prison ... Placement in op...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
You've touched on something really important here, Dragoeth. There's a verrrry different gut reaction in Americans and in Finns about sharing living space with criminals. Some Americans insinuate...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Yes. To graduate to open prison, an inmate has to apply (sometimes repeatedly) to move there, and he/she also has to have a good record of behavior in closed prison, clean drug test, etc. Then th...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Hei ljkp, thanks for sharing. I'm curious to hear more about your experience in open prison. Did other inmates talk about their transition between closed and open prison? Based on my reporting, t...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
The idea is that open prison is a hard-earned step to returning to regular life. Escape is the fastest way to toss that progress out the window and go back to square one: closed prison. No one wa...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
True. It took a long time for Finland to work up to the current system. It started with an academic debate in the 1960s/70s, and then Finland reformed their prison policies bit by bit for decades...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Got suggestions for a better one then? :) Headlines are tough, dude. (I wrote the story).
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Actually, people speak English incredibly well here. Kids start studying it in school when they're 9 years old. Plus there are other language options: Russian in the east, Swedish in the west, an...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Hey! Rae Ellen Bichell here. I reported the story this thread is about. Excited to jump into the conversation (even if I am a little late!).
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Yep. Victims and emotions play a much lesser role in the Finnish court system than in places like the U.S. Juries don't exist here, so cases are supposedly a lot less focused on making emotional ...
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
> What is the deal with English-speaking countries (except Canada) > consistently having the harshest views on punishment? For-profit prisons, prosecutors seeking high conviction...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I'm with you. Revenge is a powerful feeling. Maybe in my next story, I could try to find Finnish families in the situation you described above and ask how they cope. (I reported the story this th...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I think it's telling that one of the core values of the Finnish Criminal Sanctions Agency is: "belief in an individual’s potential to change and grow." That applies to everyone, whether the cri...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Yep. Great point. A lot of things shape the way a society views punishment is dictated: history, trust in the government, view of fellow citizens as "others" or "like me." One researcher I talked...
/u/revbi on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Hey! Rae Ellen Bichell here. I reported the story this thread is about. Lots of interesting comments here. anotheronedown, your point is consistent with what I found when talking to inmates. Here...
/u/autowikibot on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE : > CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE is the active, professed refusal to obey > certain > laws, demands, or commands of a government, or of an occupying > internat...
/u/ljkp on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Not really. Prison was still by far a worse option. I chose it to protest, to give a signal that the system is broken, and forced labour has no place in the 21st century. I hope that the law chan...
/u/king_of_the_universe on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Xcuse me while I lock myself up. There, now I can't escape until I unlock the door. That's what I take from the headline, anyway. I'm currently too impatient for more.
/u/Larein on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
There is a reason why the victim or relative sof the victim dont get to decide the punishment/sentace.
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I know of at least one prison in Australia that works on a similar policy, the exercise area is unfenced and inmates can wander off at will, as a guard once said to an acquaintance "we run on an ...
/u/Jotakin on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
They mentioned in article that the prisoners spend time in a normal prison. During this time the personnel observe how he behaves and professionals do all kinds of psychological tests on him. Aft...
/u/Jotakin on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Getting by in universities is fine because the courses are in English and you can buy food from stores without speaking a word. So if all you want is to abuse the free education and experience Fi...
/u/ljkp on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I was in one for half a year. I refused military service and got sentenced to prison. Out of 181 days I spent two in a "real" prison before being transferred to an open prison to do the rest of...
/u/JustTruthful on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
It might've not been in the article. As a Finn I'm familiar with the system. Prisons are harsh places and typically only harden criminals. Without the rehabilitation they don't know how to act ou...
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
How did I miss that? That makes much more sense and would absolutely be useful in the US.
/u/Dragoeth on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I'm not sure its so much a matter of penance as it is a perceived level of fear from the public. In the states, people don't want to be intermingled with violent criminals and the prisons and len...
/u/JustTruthful on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Violent criminals don't get to go to the open prison in Finland either before the rehabilitation phase starts (the end of the prison term).
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I'm still not referring to petty criminals though, I've agreed from the start that they should be rehabilitated, no questions asked. I'm only referring to violent criminals.
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Unless they are given something constructive to fill their time all that's gonna happen is more and more petty criminals are gonna be indoctrinated into full fledged criminal life. I'm a little d...
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I agree, of course. But I still do wonder how the US public would be convinced on an individual basis that their attacker is facing true justice. While you and I can agree that locking a violent ...
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Educate them as well. Don't treat them like complete animals or they will act like animals. No matter the horrible shit they've done they're still human and if you lock them up with nothing to do...
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I agree completely, but I guess I was referring to violent criminals. What about them?
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I think you have to change the way you view petty criminals. Drug laws need an overhaul period. A life sentence should never occur because one consenting adult sold a substance to another consent...
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Whenever I think about this, I wonder how I would react if I had a daughter who was brutally raped - or anything terrible like that. Would I be okay with the guy who did it going off to be rehabi...
/u/Edrondol on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Perkele. There goes my perfect plan. Of avoidance. (Truthfully I'd love to visit there but my wife says if we ever travel anywhere it'll be Scotland first.)
/u/BobHogan on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Finland didn't jump straight to open prisons. They spent 3 decades getting there. Obviously in any country if you just hand the keys to the inmates they will try to escape. But if you have 30 yea...
/u/unkz on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I have non-Finnish speaking friends in Finland (going to university) and they get by fine. I've visited as well, and I had no difficulties.
/u/Edrondol on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I think Finland would be an awesome place to live, except that I'd have to learn how to speak Finnish and I've seen enough of the language to know I don't want to learn Finnish.
/u/tempest_36 on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
America isn't interested in investing in its citizens, given its standards for higher education, healthcare, and overall prison system. Its approach to punishment is based on the archaic and Puri...
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Suomenlinna is a small island in Helsinki harbour covered in beautiful grounds and historic fortifications. I think I wouldn't mind jail so much if I knew it was on a beautiful UNESCO world herit...
/u/felidhino on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Try leaving prisoners with the keys in my country(Kenya).And within minutes they will stage an escape lol
/u/apartypooper on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
American prison system is also built to maximize chances of re-election - only way to stay in office is to drive harder and harder punishments. In Finland, office positions are not popularity con...
/u/FortunateBum on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
Doesn't the US have similar programs with house arrest and weekend furlough?
/u/Yotsubato on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
> t's solid evidence that a transition to rehabilitation over > punishment may have a positive impact on the population over time > without an increase in crime. The Ame...
/u/bigbassdaddy on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I'll bet they'd like some sheep in an American prison.
/u/ on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
The article did mention that "decarceration" was a policy that was slowly implemented over decades. Even if it's not the panacea to the U.S.'s prison woes (the racial component would obviously be...
/u/imatworkprobably on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
I wouldn't really say their 'open prisons' are a recommendation for what to do in America, but the overall idea in the piece of doing an evidence-based reevaluation of incarceration (in America o...
/u/Omena123 on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
why won't you explain how the article is wrong then?
/u/imatworkprobably on In Finland's 'open prisons,' inmates have the keys
This is a pretty novel idea, I must say... Interesting sentiment from the inmates: > "You can go if you want,” Kallio says. “But if you escape, you > go back to jail. Bett...
