Jesus... This is the same circle jerk that valve was having to go through. This is little more than a way for Netflix to block legal liability. Are they going to start banning people using vpn's....
you mean like moreflicks.com and canistream.it ?
It's called Plex and its awesome. (Minus them purposefully locking out features to get you to donate to them, that kind of irked me)
In fact, skip the Netflix part...
With blackjack, and hookers
> they may even have an obligation to end your service. This is correct, so I'm not sure why you're receiving downvotes for posting this. Regardless of whether we consumers agree with ...
To me it seems like you're mischaracterizing what appears to have happened and drawing conclusions that aren't really supported. "Efren" didn't say they have policies against VPN's, just that the...
you can start you own netflix
Whoa, where is your man servant? I swear, a man scratching his own back in this day and age...
On the plus side, HDD's have gotten cheaper since I started using netflix!
Well, the latest news is that Netflix would like to drop regions. Not that they will or have any direct plans to do so.
Yeah, that is the behavior that can lead to a ban. If you are simply using a VPN because your ISP is throttling Netflix, and stay in one "nation", they probably won't do anything. If you are ...
> massive terabyte-sized servers What is this, 1998? I can stroll down to best buy and get a five terabyte drive for 150 bucks
Biggest first world problem ever.
Well the last update to their terms of service was in September of 2014.
The license doesn't have to be exclusive though. Imagine Netflix had a license to show the content anywhere in the world, but some kind of IndiaFlix site got a license to show it only in India ...
You're totally right - and favourite example of this is how the Monty Python guys got sick of people pirating their pieces and putting them on YouTube illegally. So instead, they created a channe...
I experience this, where I have 4 Netflix accounts made with my US-based bank card: one for me, the wife, and two for her parents. We all live overseas, so I hooked up a VPN for them. If they f...
$38M US dollars in film grants in one year in the UK alone http://www.bfi.org.uk/supporting-uk-film/funding-filmmakers the studios collect between 50-90% of ticket prices from all cinema's, th...
You kid, but for many people it does feel like they've just been pushed right back to pirating. You treat people unfairly, they look for alternatives.
No way. Even if it hurt their bottom line (it doesn't), they'd shit on the little people before they gave up the gold rims on the cup holders for their second yachts. Then they'd blame you for st...
so its back to good ol' torrents
It would be nice if there was a single place I could check where I say what accounts I have and it does all the legwork of finding the content I want. That's the service piracy currently provid...
Don't know why you're getting downvotes. If you look closely at the shenaningans Hollywood pulls, you'll see the point. There are movies that are HIGHLY successfull but yet somehow weren't able t...
As we update our content to 1080 (or 4k) we're going well beyond terabyte.I hope someone somewhere is archiving all this stuff. Just trying to get media content from the 80s is a pain, let alone ...
They've been hurting themselves for over two decades and they will continue to do so, because they are stupid fucking dinosaurs in a world of fast moving technology that they cannot comprehend.
Fuck, I thought it was my computer!
What's worse, they're up against a generation gap. Most studio execs are older (my parents' generation, in their 50s-60s). They're used to the idea of content being something physical. A movie ...
I imagine if someone gets banned for using a VPN theyll just go straight back to pirating without a second thought.. Its the big studios shooting themselves in the leg again.
Studies have actually shown that wealthy people that think they're going to lose money and status in an amount that makes them feel like they have less status than their immediate peers (friends ...
Literally forcing our hand to click on the torrent.
I stopped pirating games when Steam and other digital distribution services made it affordable, and easier to get it legally. I stopped pirating music thanks to YouTube and Spotify. I've stoppe...
Because it is bullshit, at least where I live. The agency that does that here was unveiled to pocket most the money, and even to charge for songs of artists that weren't a member of the agency. ...
The terms of use haven't been updated since September of last year, so this is most likely still valid. Source: https://www.netflix.com/TermsOfUseChanges
Depends how you are calculating. 5 seasons of 24. With 24 episodes a season. Is that 120 items, 5 items or 1 in your catalogue. If its 120 then that 80k could quickly be allocated to series.
Apparently over 30 million Netflix users are in countries that aren't supported so they use VPN. That is a huge chunk of revenue they would be axing if they acted on this.
I'm sure there's something in the T&Cs that would cover that, I just can't be arsed to look. My point is Netflix doesn't give a crap, but they have to appear to, in order to comply with their c...
Yeah, but the new releases take a month to get to Redbox, and I live in the middle of nowhere so it's a huge pain in the ass to return them a day later if I do remember they exist and rent it a m...
It's just a bunch of dumb, short-term thinking on the part of content providers at the expense of long-term profitability. My preteen niece recently discovered torrenting and it fell to me to g...
most movies make their money back through tax credits and other tax scams before the film is even made. Listen to the commentary track of Equilibrium, they could have stopped filming mid producti...
Don't buy something you are only going to use once. Rent it.
It's also a fragment of the global wage divide. There's basically no extra cost to producing another unit, you're just trying to maximize revenue to pay back capital (making the movie). As a re...
So..... Just use a VPN?
For me its the $20 price tag per movie. Like fuck, I could go to a theater and watch a movie with my boyfriend for that much. I almost never watch movies twice so what's the point?
If only it had an Xbox app. I get that they would want to prioritize platforms with higher install bases, but they have an app for Samsung TV's. I refuse to believe that there are less Xboxes i...
It's important to consider that right up until early last year, Netflix was selling the rights of its original series over to Foxtel for broadcast - they clearly didn't consider Australia a viabl...
Me too! I was getting worried. I''l just be over here using my ivory back scratchier.
I think only if you don't have the mail in option too. but yes, I'm an international man of cinematic mystery as far as netflix knows
Thanks, Lightbox! (I actually like Lightbox. Not as good as US Netflix, but it's alright).
Family/friends sharing an account while in different places seems to be another level of highly plausible deniability.
I don't think anybody was calling it piracy. > The Internet is not regional, it's global. This is true, but digital media licensing IS regional. I'm not saying it's right, but that's th...
Their luxurious cabin in the mountains, of course.
It's like: "hey guys we have way too many paying customers, how about banning some of them. You know the kind that are a tiny bit tetcky, that we finally managed to make them pay for content afte...
Man, Showbox has become pretty disappointing lately. I understand that it's a free service that offers everything for free, but they decided to cut out LocalCast and such for streaming to the Chr...
And are HAPPY to pay for convenient access to content!! i feel the same about BluRay's. Fuck me if every time i buy a bluray and remember why i shouldn't fucking buy blurays exactly 3 seconds a...
> Most 'pirates' are willing to pay for content, but if you don't give > people an option then it's your own damn fault your stuff gets > pirated so much. Yeah there'...
Or just popcorn time
> So, it's not something that we actively go through and cancel > accounts for this That's actually a very significant comment. Though I don't suppose the support rep is actually s...
For the sake of argument, what if that's just one of my family members using an account I pay for (which I can share with however many people I want but can only watch 2 screens at the same time)...
They had Archer season 5 for a while before US.
No because they are on Stan. Which is almost unwatchable due to constant buffering
Sure can. I got just the one, and make use of a bunch of different countries' libraries using a VPN
Community I believe as well
Awhile back I watched Gattica on Canada Netflix that the US didn't have (not sure that's still the case). Sometimes if I'm just in the mood to watch a certain movie, I'll check MoreFlix to see if...
Exactly. i'm trying to give you money. Oh, you want to fuck me? Okay, i'll go back to stealing. Fuck you.
I like the way they think
It's like they want us to steal content!
And what if a family sharing a netflix account lives in multiple countries? I'll be travelling soon and while I probably won't be using netflix I could easily log in from the UK, Ireland, the N...
Aus here as well. I use my ps4 to stream Netflix (under a secondary American psn account) and just change my dns address to an American one. Been doing it for around a year now
Well when you pay to make a movie or tv show you want your money back plus profit as fast as possible. Not over a long time, especially if it becomes a maybe instead of a certainity so no wonder ...
I used to work for Netflix. We would never block or cancel accounts for using a VPN. Half the time, we preferred it so you wouldn't get throttled by your ISP. The worst thing that would happen is...
But that's my point. It's one thing for them to see that a user with an account originating in Canada is logging in from a US IP, they're just traveling, that's the plausible deniability. It'...
Do you want piracy? Because this is how you get piracy.
Yeah, I can see that if I'm well served then i'd happily step away from pirating. I used to pirate on PC, PS1, PS2 and Wii, but by the time PS3 came around I just couldn't be bothered - for a f...
Oh, phew! And here I was thinking it would affect the important people...
I got this from support > Netflix > > So, it's not something that we actively go through and cancel > accounts for this, but since it is against our terms of use, w...
When I checked them out they had The Wolverine, the first couple of seasons of Hannibal and I think they had the second season of Arrow before US. I'm sure there's other stuff, but that's what I ...
Same. US for TV shows, Canada for movies.
Netflix has definitely minimized my downloading. Now if I want to watch something I'll check Netflix first, then Amazon Prime, then various streaming sites I'm comfortable with, finally I go to t...
Baffled by how fucking genius this is.
> Netflix has plausible deniability when someone from one region logs > into another region, by simply assuming that they are traveling. I guarantee they can log your access ...
Torrents will always work via VPN, so if they don't want the money, that's fine.
Aussie here. Netflix here sucks because our local pay tv monopoly, bought up all all the content they could, in an attempt to cock block netflix. I've unlocked it with media hint, and there i...
All this really demonstrates is that the notion of content boundaries is outdated and needs a serious rethink. Online services are being offered through an international, neutral medium, so restr...
Just use the vpn to make the account.
Can you switch it up with just one account?
Every time something like this comes up I realize how many people have zero idea how content licensing works.
Yep, and Netflix has the muscle to negotiate global deals, which they won't have been doing for Australian content until recently. I'd say the Canadian and UK services are good predictors of wh...
What does Canada have that US doesn't? Genuinely curious.
I'm sure it's Netflix covering their arse. When Netflix makes a piece of content available in only certain regions it's because that's where they've got license to do so. No values judgement here...
That's happening everywhere. Across the ditch, besides the launch of Netflix; Lightbox (So far pretty good) and Neon (I'm not paying $20 a month, especially if you don't have HD) just got launche...
Where will they live between their spring and autumn mansions??
Oh I'm sure your ISP is able to track you, same as any torrenting. We'll probably wake up tomorrow minus a kidney.
Don't forget that we're the one country whose Netflix doesn't have House of Cards.
My point is that Netflix has plausible deniability when someone from one region logs into another region, by simply assuming that they are traveling. First time I logged in from my VPN I had a ...
use .io not .se because .io is completely open source while .se isn't and a while back the .se version had a virus in it. you can go here for help and more information /r/PopCornTime
They don't give two shits. They'll die before they stop fucking us over as much as they can.
Exactly. Content providers are the real assholes here. We should be rallying behind Netflix and finding a way to help them. They've done so much for us already.
It's like they fail to understand that we have the money that they want.
Australia doesn't have either of those shows Edit: Australian Netflix****
A big part of the problem is that pirating is a habit. I think i'm right in saying that pirating TV and Movies has been massively prevalent and normalised within Australia. I've been downloadin...
I agree with you 100%. One of the driving reasons for trying to fight this it to maximize short term gains instead of focusing on long-term gains. What they do not include in the equation is the ...
> I'm somewhat optimistic that it's just Netflix covering their arse > because of pressure from the studios. With Netflix's recent launch > in Australia, and our rather ...
Le cousins dangeroux?
What I don't understand is, if you're able to reproduce substantial evidence that your isp is clearly throttling specific traffic to Netflix, how is this not going against net neutrality laws, an...
Meh, they are probably just playing along with negotiation demands so they don't look bad when it comes to contract renewals with the studios, or peering deals with the isps. studio/isp: "So wh...
Like sexy cousins French movies?
Yep, and in most situations you can use the VPN for torrenting semi-anonymously.
Region-locked content is usually caused by middlemen, not piracy. The studio sells the same content to 10 different companies for distribution in different parts of the world. Since none of those...
An even darker side to this, speaking as a fellow Aussie, is the thought that Netflix won't be the last company to do this. VPNs are as much about privacy and anonymity these days as they are abo...
I feel like it's the biggest honeypot in the history of honeypots. But I have no proof. It's like finding a 10/10 at the bar and offering to buy her a drink. Instead she pays off your tab and d...
What if he lives on the US/Canada border?
US got season 5 a week or two ago. :)
Good. If I'm stuck with the Canadian version, this saves me the trouble of cancelling it myself.
I agree, the costs are low and reasonable and I'm genuinely considering stopping my downloading habits to simply go with Netflix, but then it would be better if the marketing materials explained ...
is that number really accurate? 80,000? isnt that too much?
New Zealand Netflix has about 1/8 of the content. The use of VPNs is high here, and is a service multiple ISPs here provides.
Well, if Netflix doesn't threaten to stop taking our money (in exchange for letting us watch stuff), then the content providers are threatening to stop taking Netflix's money (in exchange for let...
So. In Theory. Say I was from New Zealand. I have a Friend in America. If I get my Friend to make a Netflix account in America. Then I use a VPN to access the content. Does that mean I ...
But it's quality not quantity which is where Canada seems to be picking up the slack
There is only 1000~ items of content on the Australian one.
Exactly - I'd rather go with Netflix because I generally think they do a great job, but if this really is a line they have to draw, so be it.
Pretty sure VPNs have always been against their policy. If they tried to enforce that in Canada they'd lose half their subscribers overnight.
I use Zen Mate. No complaints thus far.
I use PrivateInternetAccess it costs money, but it's fairly cheap and the speeds are pretty good.
Exactly, this is a hilariously stupid threat. We'll cancel your account if you use VPN so you can watch content you already paid for while traveling! Well fuck you, I'll BT everything then, a...
After reading this article on netflix wanting 'To go global' , I'm not sure what to think anymore Link: http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/misc_hardware/netflix_wants_to_make_neflix_global/1
Might be an odd thread to ask this in but does anyone know of any good Hola alternatives? After discovering you are a node in their network I have been very hesitant to access Netflix through Hol...
Some UK programs were on the US Netflix first like Sherlock season 3. What's up with that.
I live in 4 to 5 different countries in a week according to my Netflix history.
Canada has Community though
"Last updated: September 15, 2014" That's not exactly new.
The most you're risking is $8, so really it's not that big of a deal.
Its amazing this is such a difficult concept for Hollywood. I'm willing to pay a reasonable price for streaming content and regional restrictions just lead me to pirate. I check Canada Netflix, t...
Netflix Canada has about 10,000 titles while Netflix USA has about 80,000 titles, far from 1/3. However, some big name movies are licensed in Canada which aren't available in the US and vice vers...
Like a lot of people have said those policies are most likely just a way to cover their asses. According to their website the TOS hasn't been updated since September of last year and that policy ...
The wording may have changed but using VPN's to spoof a location has been against their TOS for as long as I've been a member. They don't do anything about it though.
The market is so segmented, in AUS we have Netflicks, Stan, Presto, Foxtel iplay. Each have licensing to different shows and some even to different seasons of a show. This frustrates me as Viking...
Ironically I just had this conversation with some co-workers. Studio's really want to prevent piracy, which is entirely understandable. But they do so by making it on their terms and you can only...
It's such a phenomenal application, too. From a development standpoint, I mean.
Well they didn't do what every other company does and made it cost 2x as much in Australia (and that's also taking into account that our exchange rate has gone back to shit in the last few months...
That's assuming there's intelligence behind the decisions. All these companies are busy trying to throttle innovation and restrict access to their products to choke more money out of their outdat...
So naturally it'll be a fifth of the cost then, cool. Oh.
Stan feels like it has more when using it, even though it probably doesn't.
http://i.imgur.com/zOWJAki.png How do I test my results?
Aus here. It is fucking tiny! still having to download movies and shows because netflix has F all.
Hmm interesting, wouldn't be a bad fallback. Thing is, I don't mind paying a fair price for content, but it's almost like they're trying to take away that from me.
I am currently paying for content. If they want to motivate me to pirate, then its no skin off my back.
Look at money bags, throwing around $8 like it's no big thing.
According to Netflix Around the World , Australia has 1268 titles, while the US has 7574.
It'll only cost you $8 for the month they cut you off on.
Switching between every day may be the sort of tip off that they can't ignore...
I wonder though. If not many people are using VPN's, then why did Sony start kicking up a fuss about it a while back? Why risk the Streisand effect?
Really ? I'm in Sydney and see loads of billboards, bus advertising etc for Netflix.
When I connect to Netflix all I get is a system requirements page. I turn on Hola and suddenly it works fine. If they block my Hola use I would cancel my account immediately.
Exactly. It's not like Netflix wants to limit what content they have available. If it were up to them they'd have the same massive library of content available regardless of geo location.
Popcorn Time is an open source streaming software with a few active forks of the code. It allows PC, Android, and IOS (probably jail broken users), the abiltiy to stream content with torrent tech...
Same. When they cut me its back to showbox, popcorn time, hd cinema etc. Hey, I tried to pay for content.
The probably reserve the right to cancel service, but considering how many people use a VPN service to view Netflix in other countries, you would think they would have been more explicit about VP...
That was January. Things may have changed.
What's Popcorn Time? > Circumventing geo-locations is not piracy. It's simply a feature of > the global network of interconnected devices. The Internet is not > regional, ...
I wonder if he got backlash for that, it seems like that would piss off their lawyers and content providers. This is how their support explained the geo-location change to me .
i believe they are serious about this when they actually start banning people in droves. until then this is purely appeasement something like 40-60% of the canadian user base uses some form of un...
If Netflix goes after and/or stops "VPN Pirates", I will just go and use Popcorn Time. Circumventing geo-locations is not piracy. It's simply a feature of the global network of interconnected d...
Definitely not as good as the US, although there are some shows and movies on the Australian one that I can't find on the US one, though that might just be because I'm too lazy to dig for them.
He wants to. But studios have to play ball for this to happen. All the library differences are because the studios insist on it. Netflix has no say in the matter.
well canadian netflix has like 1/3rd of what american netflix has. i imagine australian netflix being even worse.
Is the content for Netflix Australia a lot worse for content for Netflix US? Netflixs release in Australia has made it on the news, but there's no real marketing going on, as far as I can tell....
They don't really have a choice. Its all about licensing. They purchase the license for certain areas based of distributer and previous licensee rights. If you're in Canada (like I am) and show...
I'm getting mixed signals here. Didn't the Netflix CEO just recently call to abolish regional restrictions?
Yupp, it will probably end up hurting the studios more than anything.
And now just like that you have to agree to it (and risk throwing away money when they cut you off without explanation) or stop using the service. No debate or discussion. Hate that crap. Also,...
I wonder if Netflix is really willing to terminate so many customer accounts..
I'm somewhat optimistic that it's just Netflix covering their arse because of pressure from the studios. With Netflix's recent launch in Australia, and our rather woeful library to accompany it, ...
uh oh. i literally alternate between Netflix US and Netflix Canada everyday
I hopped on Netflix today to find some disheartening news. Here's what I found: Link to Netflix's terms of use Article 6C > You may view a movie or TV show through the Netfli...
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/31ot3b/netflixs_new_terms_allows_the_termination_of/