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- Feed Preview In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments--many of them dictatorships that censor the net--power over the entire Internet. Every country has a vote, so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen? : technology
/u/mdmahafuz on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
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/u/rafaelschp on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Do you have a telephone modem at home? And know how to use ppp and uucp?
/u/bare_in_mind on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Yup, them too.
/u/rafaelschp on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
fork the cables?
/u/Duplicated on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
> The irony is that the people who seek to steal control of the > internet are actually much much worse than the U.S. when it comes to > any of the above issues. S...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
In the U.S. we can legislate proactively, meaning that we can lay out a set of rules regulating rights that shall not be infringed. This is the only way to stop the onslaught of money from the co...
/u/Theinternationalist on In 10 days the ITU could give a p... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I know this- it's much of this thread that needs to see this.
/u/Duplicated on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
> In fact NO government body should have regulatory power over the > Internet seeing as though it exists without borders. Ideally, yes. In reality, everyone has been, and will...
/u/vbevan on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gover... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
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/u/ethanlan on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gov... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
its not possible because the united states literally controls all the machinery that makes the internet possible. they have to make their own and im fine with that if they want their own shitty...
/u/ethanlan on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gov... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
well if the system works that way isnt that a good thing the system is in place?
/u/ethanlan on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gov... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
what are you talking about?
/u/Steve_Media on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Sign the global statement against ITU control: http://protectinternetfreedom.net
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Why? Because its easier to standardise with developing nations who are interested in having more say in top level domains as well as maintaining their own. Do you even know what the ITU even does...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Do you have any idea how large the IPv6 address space is? There are waaaaay more than enough to go around indefinitely. And yes I think ICANN is perfectly capable of allocating virtually unlimite...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
This is probably true. The various limitations upon free speech of the various European states would have likely stopped the free interchange of ideas in its tracks. They also seem keen on this "...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The Arab Spring was launched largely due to the freedom of communication that the Internet and smart phones have provided. More specifically, it was Egypt's attempt to shut down the Internet that...
/u/computersurveyer on In 10 days the ITU could give a pane... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Well I hope when this blows over which it will if there is a global outcry we can focus on making all domain name seizures illegal.
/u/Warfinder on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
America doesn't win friends and influence, it buys them. Either with guns or money.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Blocking it in the US. Does that remove a massive piece of the consumer base for potential .xxx website owners? Why yes it does, but so what? We're under no obligation to allow the rest of the ...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
But it wouldn't affect the entire world, only the US. As it so happens, most of the server infrastructure and major websites that run the Internet are located in the United States - so those comp...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The United States is still the largest manufacturer in the world - we just don't use human labor to maintain that status anymore. Care to try again?
/u/Damocles2010 on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The International Telecommunication Regulations (ITRs) have not been updated since 1988 - before ANYTHING digital... The ITU are looking at including some "further recommendations" into the ITR...
/u/Theinternationalist on In 10 days the ITU could give a p... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Reddit can be rather sensationalist; not all decisions are made by lobbyists for big corporations. Or else the Chinese would not have gotten so much prime real estate in Afghanistan or Iraq. Bu...
/u/Theinternationalist on In 10 days the ITU could give a p... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
WHY IS THIS NOT AT THE TOP?!! Internet Governance is barely even an issue this time around...
/u/Theinternationalist on In 10 days the ITU could give a p... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Man, Europe must be a pretty fearsome country. Ninja Edit: Are you talking about the EU? The British? French? The Italians? Vladimir Putin? Who? Double Ninja: Also, if you look at CEPT (as op...
/u/OmegaVesko on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Well it isn't an issue of address shortage, it's the way they're allocated. You can't just allocate random IP ranges, there need to be guidelines.
/u/sometimesijustdont on In 10 days the ITU could give a pa... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
You poor naive fool. It has everything to do with censorship. Why would they give a shit about domain names?
/u/sometimesijustdont on In 10 days the ITU could give a pa... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Europe doesn't believe in free speech.
/u/sometimesijustdont on In 10 days the ITU could give a pa... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I'm glad America has control of the Internet. It would be dead by now if the EU had control.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
What the fuck is the ITU?
/u/Mainmanwhite25 on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
So should we start making Rapture?
/u/Certhas on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Regarding the Arab spring, I find the analysis that media wise it was AlJazeera rather than new media that was crucial to creating the conditions for it very convincing. I think the facebook aspe...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
US is the country doing massive "copyright" take-downs without evidence, without due process. Thousands of domains going offline without the owners being notified as to what they've actually done...
/u/sir_sri on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
China is going to connect to the russian and EU one. You are supposing the chinese aren't willing to 'hurt themselves (which it wouldn't really, since they have money and production capacity an...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
> Your country isn't so important as to dictate to the EU or China or > India or Russia or Japan how they should run their telecoms. lol yes it is and we do. "They don...
/u/policetwo on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Whats china gonna do? Russia might be problem, cause they're a wild card, but China is dependant and incapable of applying much pressure to the US without hurting themselves in the process.
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Yeah a sysadmin who has worked in networking and security for 10 years, has no idea how the Internet works... Go ahead and cut the U.S. / Canada / most of Europe / Asia out of your network. Sou...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
If you learned how DNS works, you would understand that if what you proposed happened, then everyone would switch to alternate DNS providers that don't block their porn. This is so fucking obviou...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
> Wait until they pass a law that requires you do it and see how much > you laugh then. You don't seem to understand that enforcement is completely impossible and pointless. Wh...
/u/policetwo on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The majority are religious and with vastly more constricted cultures. the majority of the population of earth may want free expression, but the majority of countries in the UN once voted to out...
/u/policetwo on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
doesn't matter. If its not a threat, than overreacting lets people know that bigger shit will never fly. If it is a threat, than overreacting stops it.
/u/policetwo on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
and you think the masses of religious middle eastern and african countries would vote it in? It wouldn't even exist with an international panel.
/u/policetwo on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I think that 90% of the countries in the world can't really be trusted with the internet. If you don't allow free speech you shouldn't be in control. The overwhelming response from the free wor...
/u/policetwo on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
truthfully the main push is going to be that censorship = reduction in profit and scope for quite few US companies.
/u/sir_sri on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
How about if that shitty insular country is china, or the EU or the entire rest of the world who are sick of dealing with you? Just because you think the only people who don't like you are smal...
/u/sir_sri on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Wait until they pass a law that requires you do it and see how much you laugh then. More seriously, if the US refuses to recognize your country, can you even get a TLD? I'm sure somaliland woul...
/u/policetwo on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Thats smart. Cut off american internet and communications from your own shitty insular country. You're really hurting america there buddy. That'll show em.
/u/policetwo on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
good. Let rogue darknets pop up. Make them lose control entirely too fast for the bureaucracy to keep up.
/u/worst on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of govern... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
.com was created by the DoD along with the other big 3 letter domains. International organizations are allowed to register .com domains, but, they can also register .co.es for example, and remain...
/u/lalalalamoney on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel o... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
It's not preposterous at all. Most sex sites use .com domains, which the US claims ownership of. It would be quite easy to redirect them all to one of those "seized by the US" sites.
/u/lalalalamoney on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel o... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
You obviously understand nothing about how the internet works, or what the issue is. P.S. The internet is nothing more than a bunch of interconnected networks built on open standards, it's not ...
/u/sir_sri on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The ITU is very effective. Or have you never made a phone call to another country before? The reason you can do that, and not have to negotiate and pay at every hop between your phone company, an...
/u/budguy68 on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gov... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The US sponsors a lot of these dictators.
/u/DougMeerschaert on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
do you even know what the dmca is? did you know that even political speech can be protected by copyright?
/u/worst on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of govern... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Ya, that's what I thought. The US is, as far as I'm aware still the most free country in the world with respect to speech, so I'm confused why someone was claim there is web censorship that Eur...
/u/dan1101 on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Regardless of whether the ITU has any power, the internet started in the USA, runs in the USA, and I don't think many people have complaints about how it is run at the basic level. Sure there are...
/u/sir_sri on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
And the rest of the world may follow suit with: If you want to talk to our internet play by our rules. No one outside the US wants the US in charge of the internet, and even less people want a ...
/u/DougMeerschaert on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
that's because they aren't. a mailed letter is physically sealed and handed to a government employee by way of a government owned container. electronic mail is more equivalent to a phone call o...
/u/DougMeerschaert on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
the dmca gives a host an out. they can say that the speech is not their own, but they need to promptly respond to objections of copyright infringement, similar to how a bookstore or newsstand wou...
/u/rocksssssss on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
As someone who does security stuff, I wouldn't be too heartbroken if certain backwater countries segmented their Internet and fucked right off.
/u/Iogic on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of govern... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
> against some other countries' predilections for censorship And what of those who don't, which is the majority? When all entities hold equal power, we call that 'democracy'. When one e...
/u/dinker on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gover... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
All governments are dictatorships, democracies are just dictatorship by the stupid
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
This encrypted peer to peer network you speak of is already in development in at least a couple separate projects. However the problem here is still that using encryption is a crime in some of th...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
> Because ITU's recommendations are totally meaningless. /thread I think I stated this in the top comment in this thread. Although I'd like to add... the ITU's recommendations are still ...
/u/qwertytard on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
thankyou! i'll read up on this
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
This isn't Netflix's fault, or the government's fault. It's the fault of the major distributors. Eventually a major movie distributor will give up on all of this bullshit and make content availab...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
> The internet isn't routers and protocols. It isn't the hardware or > the browsers nor even the way we access the information out there. > It is the idea that we ca...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
He said, > IPv6 Allocation As if somehow there aren't enough IPv6 addresses to go around...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
It is for quite a few countries.
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Just so you know... this didn't happen. The only people who seem to think that they can regulate the whole Internet are backwards religious folk that don't understand technology. The notion of fo...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Yes, it is the MAIN issue. U.S. citizens have the constitutional right to tell you that your god is a lie and that you should all die in a fire. You might not like it... but unfortunately for you...
/u/tso on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governme... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The main issue right now is that the closest indicator we have to what nations laws a site operates under is the TLD. Every nation except USA use a specific TLD for their sites. USA, via a grandf...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The U.S. government should stay the hell out of it also. In fact NO government body should have regulatory power over the Internet seeing as though it exists without borders. Old Media is dying...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
You have NO mechanism to transfer said power to the ITU other than to break off from our Internet and make your own. The U.S. holds all the chips and oppressive little states like Egypt, Iran and...
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Exactly. Some of the proposals by certain members of the ITU such as censoring "religiously offensive" speech are in direct conflict with our constitutional rights. The U.S. is going to flat ou...
/u/OceanFace on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I understand your concern and grasp the idea well. However, they would have to ban the development and use of omni-directional and directional wifi networking. A task that is impossible today as ...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Kodos man. It's Kodos
/u/guyNcognito on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
How would this be made anything but worse by putting a panel of multiple countries in charge of it?
/u/lalalalamoney on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel o... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
This is exactly my point. Two US senators decided to try and force sexually explicit sites to the .xxx domain, but who voted for them? Did the Argentinians, Brazilians and Germans vote for these ...
/u/lalalalamoney on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel o... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Yeah, but it took 10 years because the US kept blocking it.
/u/Akathos on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Yes, those are the only visiting countries of Reddit. No mainland Europeans whatsoever.
/u/Akathos on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Part two of the increasing inaccurately named trilogy of five!
/u/guyNcognito on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
.xxx is a thing that exists right now. You could register your own site on it for like $20/year and be up and running before lunch.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Life, the Universe and Everything, by Douglas Adams
/u/youguysgonnamakeout on In 10 days the ITU could give a p... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
What's this from?
/u/dat_moon on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gov... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
the us hasnt blocked off wikilinks, but they are certainly playing whack-a-mole with it
/u/yurigoul on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gov... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
> Or not allowing the .xxx domain because it offended some Americans / > American interest groups. AFAIK - but do not have sources for it at hand - is that the reason not to have ...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
It would be cool if the Internet governed itself. It is after all a forum without borders. We need Elders of The Internet!
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
US censorship is limited to domain name seizures. The US government has never blocked a site at the ISP level the same way other countries have.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I worry Comcast and other ISPs would lobby to make mesh networks illegal. It sounds absurd, but banning cities from developing publicly owned fiber networks also sounds absurd - and they've suc...
/u/CriesWhenPoops on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
You should really change your name to IncredibleCats
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Control of the DNS root zone doesn't let the US monitor traffic. That's not how DNS works. In theory the US could alter the nameservers for foreign TLDs but it would affect everyone and would b...
/u/kovaluu on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
There is always people who want control. Even if we kill em all, there will be new ones. That same "hole" in freedom is always there too. Expect to defend your freedoms. Don't give opportunis...
/u/Union_Flack on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I nominate myself for lifetime president of Earth. Seriously. I'd probably be ok at it, since I'm already psychotic, so the job wouldn't drive me mad.
/u/lalalalamoney on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel o... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Perhaps censorship is not the correct word to use here, but the US is certainly interfering with non-US businesses on the internet. For instance the rojadirecta case, where a Spanish site that wa...
/u/In_between_minds on In 10 days the ITU could give a pane... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Better the devil you know.
/u/kauert on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gover... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Isn't the real problem ICANN? How about simply getting the major ISPs together and switching their DNS servers to a system jointly maintained by them?
/u/worst on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of govern... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I'm unaware of any time the US has censored any speech on the Internet. I guess if you want to count the seizure of domains 'linked to piracy' then the US has, but, that's not really equivalent...
/u/OmegaVesko on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Pfft, you're assuming the average /r/tehnology reader knows what IPv6 is.
/u/vbevan on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gover... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
But the us would never abuse their power. Especially not for commercial interests. /s
/u/vbevan on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gover... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The us love censorship. At least when someone pays them to.
/u/lalalalamoney on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel o... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
It won't fly in the US, sure. But Europe? Transferring power from a censoring unilateral body (the US) to the UN is a win for Europe I'd think.
/u/Dwarf_Goblin on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Yeah, I'm just being a bit provocative. I agree with you. While USA is a horrible, horrible mess it still is one of the better alternatives we have. It really shows the sad state of our planet.
/u/BallsackTBaghard on In 10 days the ITU could give a pane... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
idgaf I am behind 7 proxies anyways. Plus I would like to live in a draconian law society, then I will join the rebels in the revolution and all will be well again.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Google has a dedicated page for this. PLEASE PLEASE read that instead of taking for granted what some people here are saying. https://www.google.com/intl/en/takeaction/whats-at-stake/ There ...
/u/sirbruce on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gov... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Your rationality is refreshing (even if you're still wrong on the issue of copyright and American foreign policy).
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I've been arguing that point for a very long time. Pre-9/11 people thought I was crazy implying the US government could one day want to control and censor the internet.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Every wifi mesh network I have ever accessed barely even functioned (In most cases did not function). I don't write off the possibility of slight modifications to current technology working well ...
/u/Certhas on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Really? You mean because we in Europe trust the US soooo much more than an international body like the UN? Hey at least the US is our all benevolent dictator, yay! And they will not block the int...
/u/amigaharry on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
So the problem here is that the control over DNS will be given to an international organization instead of leaving it in the US' hands? Maybe I'm too european for that - but why exactly is this...
/u/madrigalelectro on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I don't want them running that shit either, man! I'm just saying, they already run the shit where I am. But it could definitely be worse.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
"We're not obsessed by anything, you see,'' insisted Ford. ...'' "And that's the deciding factor. We can't win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win.'' "I care about lots of thin...
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Correct. And their whole way of looking at this is centred around the idea that one country should not posses an 'off' switch. The whole presentation of the discussion is so skewed it would be fu...
/u/Dwarf_Goblin on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Only white american billionaires are honest enough to rule this earth!
/u/PunchingBag on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Consequences will never be the same. EDIT: Oh come on, no one else saw the similarity to this and "cyber police?" It's nonsense. If the UN taught us anything, it's that when a bunch of governme...
/u/Wotevar on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Whether there is need for an outcry or not depends on who you are. Certain vested interests certainly think there is a need.
/u/alek2407 on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gov... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
This is really sensational and what not, but they do bring up a good point. Why should the international internet be controlled by a private corporation that is a puppet of the US Government? Wha...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
That's the problem. This isn't a threat to a free a open internet.
/u/watchout5 on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
If one of those parties receives a DMCA request they risk getting their site shut down if they don't respond within X hours. It might be private speech but it's certainly not protected like our P...
/u/watchout5 on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The basic problem with this is that even assuming they're wildly successful in getting a majority of nation states to sign onto deals that destroy the freedom America gave the internet all it tak...
/u/iwazaruu on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gov... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
holy shit these reddit white knight threads are so fucking sensationalist. I wonder if the dumbass OP actually believes his own title.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Simple and to the point, as plain ol people, what CAN we do to help, and what SHOULD we do? National politics is one thing. How can we influence global politics?
/u/NorthernerWuwu on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The democracies scare me far more. It is corporate influence that will kill the internet if anything does. However, I have faith in the way it has been built and the RFCs > legalese in the end....
/u/melthecook on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Then why's Vint Cerf upset?
/u/beetrootdip on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Well, we (reddit) can potential influence USA, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ out of 160 or so countries. So no.
/u/RockyLeal on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
From an Al-Jazeera article published a year ago: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/12/201112884026597856.html "But protocol runs deeper than software: If code is law, then protoc...
/u/Lulz_Legion on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
For everybody who sees this, there is a google page dedicated to this cause and being heard, you can sign a petition and voice your opinion. I said: " I think the notion of this is just as ridi...
/u/Do_not_use_after on In 10 days the ITU could give a pane... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I think this pretty much sums up the attitude that Russia, China et. al. are opposing - the American constitution has no authority in any other sovereign nation. Treating the rest of the world as...
/u/TTLeave on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
This includes you America.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
What ever happened to self determination? Only applies to America/the west?
/u/buggaz on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gover... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Anyone is welcome to set up their own competing internet and check which side of the firewall they find themselves on.
/u/Moses89 on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
More upvotes for you so the plebs can see your truth.
/u/buggaz on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gover... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The traffic will always route around any obstacle, even around philosophical arguments and agreements over what Internet ought to be.
/u/hivemind6 on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
> Fuck America, give the Internet to the UN. Yes, fuck the current stewards of the internet that allow you to post moronic nonsense like this. Let's give the internet over to countries t...
/u/CryoGuy on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
VoteforPedro.
/u/madrigalelectro on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
And yet you'll still find some useful idiots (on places like reddit) who think that we should have some form of "world government" Oh yah I want the fucking chinese, saudis, and russians runnin...
/u/euyis on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of govern... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Wasn't it already explained in some earlier post that ITU is a large, inefficient international organization that, in typical UN fashion, organizes pointless negotiation marathons, publishes stan...
/u/tehbored on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gov... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Actually, it's our enemies who are the hopeless ones, as this will never fucking happen.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Exactly. The whole page (i.e all 4 sentences) read like this: > An organisation that we've never heard of is doing something that we > haven't understood when we read about i...
/u/AlyoshaV on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gov... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I wish people would stop using Megaupload as an example of oppression/censorship. It's known without question that Megaupload paid out money in exchange for uploads, and the US has shown eviden...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Can we? WILL we.
/u/primedape on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Google is also running a campaign against this. They have some more information on their page: https://www.google.com/takeaction/
/u/SirGoofsALott on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel o... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Any organization or government invented or run by human beings is inherently corrupt. A free, uncontrolled internet will work itself out. Do not let ANY government, committee, organization, or hu...
/u/bare_in_mind on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Whatever they do, we can fork it.
/u/God_of_Abraham on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Aries for life.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I doubt it. What's going to happen in 10 days? People'll discuss IPv6 and set meaningless goals that won't influence anything. Some nations will raise internet censorship votes but IT IS NOT GOIN...
/u/johnmedgla on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Yes. Being more than five years old we are capable of weighing the US government's fixation with copyright enforcement against some other countries' predilections for censorship of almost everyth...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
That argument was refuted with the DMCA.
/u/t_ran_asuarus_rex on In 10 days the ITU could give a pan... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
i voted for kronos.
/u/TrueShotHaze on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I doubt it'll do anything but I used 3 of my e-mails to sign. Don't know if it registers how many from a single IP address to allow to sign, but I did it anyway.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
In an ideal world the UN would be in charge of the Internet, take downs would be a long arduous process of endless negotiations. Instead we've got each country blocking and taking down whatever w...
/u/ryte4flyte on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Think of us as Twinkies, and now the realization is that much brighter....
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Yeah right. Obama would love that.
/u/thesnowflake on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
right. and censors it on copyright grounds.
/u/regalrecaller on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel o... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
That's the first I've heard of DIDO. Thanks!
/u/recipriversexcluson on In 10 days the ITU could give a p... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
We can't fight these types on their turf. Learn about TOR. Participate. Learn about GnuPG. Use it. There's more. See r/darknet
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Can't we just make a new internet?
/u/kenba2099 on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Don't blame me. I voted for Megatron.
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I don't know. It seems that electronic communications are not viewed as private as their physical counterparts, like mail.
/u/pemboa on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gover... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
I doubt that the sponsoring of censorship is the issue.
/u/pemboa on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gover... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Keep focusing on dictatorships like they are the sole source of concern.
/u/rum_rum on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of gove... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
"Power flows to the one who knows how to use it." =Megatron
/u/DougMeerschaert on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
That'd be either unnecessary or irrational. Most of what's on the internet is private speech. Reddit, Wikipedia, Facebook, Slashdot, NY times, Fox News, DailyKos, RedState--it's ALL a private p...
/u/tso on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governme... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Yea, most of the bruhaha comes from the gTLDs and how they are treated by various governments. The question really is what laws applies when someone in nation A acesses a .com operated out of nat...
/u/chubbysumo on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
sensationalism gets website views, that is the same thing demandprogress is doing. ICANN will never give up control of the .com and such handling, thus, all that may happen is that county's that ...
/u/Damocles2010 on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The ITU is a group within the UN. It makes "recommendations" it doesn't try to exercise dominion or control over anything. On Dec three the ITU are looking at updating some recommendations to...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Btw this has nothing to do with internet censorship and everything to do with maintaining things like .com and IPv6 allocation. Anyone who thinks this has something to do with censorship of the...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
It's a game of whack a mole, for every restriction that public outcry gets stopped, a dozen more spring up in its place. They only need to get one in to win and that they know.
/u/NicknameAvailable on In 10 days the ITU could give a pan... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
> This shit will not fly with the U.S. or Europe. This should be the only thing we even bother reporting in the US and Europe whenever a multinational group like the UN or ITU is menti...
/u/OceanFace on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Edit: I should mention, there is a solution to circumventing this problem. Mesh wifi networking. Steve perlman claims to be working on a technology th...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
The ones who are thirsty for power can NOT relent. They have to keep up their reign online like they do offline. Otherwise, they will be replaced. Lasse Birk Olesen seems to have a better idea...
/u/upofadown on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Is this as opposed to the one government that controls the internet now?
/u/ProtoDong on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of go... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
First of all... how is the ITU going to take control of Domain Name Registries from ICANN? They won't be able to. In the end, the U.S. will never give up it's control to an international body tha...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Personally I feel that we are under siege concerning bills such as this. We need to go on the offensive and make a constitutional amendment that says that the internet shall remain free from cens...
/u/qwertytard on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
well said, but have more positive thoughts we will win this only reason they are fighting so hard to control this, is because they realize how powerful of a weapon "free thought" and unlimited kn...
/u/qwertytard on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of g... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
the only problem with that, is that they could technically stop/control the "under ground web" protocols by laying down filters for specific types of traffic/protocols since they will own the phy...
/u/ on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of governments... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
It seems as though it is hopeless to fight, but if our enemies are restless than who are we to surrender?
/u/RamenJunkie on In 10 days the ITU could give a panel of ... so only a global outcry can stop it. Can we make that happen?
Meh, this is just a constant losing battle. We (meaning, the denizens of the interwebs) need to just let them have their little victory and then go about business as usuall on the "secret undergr...
